Comments on: Climbing the expertise ladder https://blog.learnlets.com/2007/12/climbing-the-expertise-ladder/ Clark Quinn's learnings about learning Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:35:34 +0000 hourly 1 By: David Wilkins https://blog.learnlets.com/2007/12/climbing-the-expertise-ladder/#comment-42631 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:00:17 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/wp/?p=249#comment-42631 Hey Clark,

Yes, changed performance is ultimately the goal of all of this. And none of what you have written is contrary to any of this. We’re on the same page with you on all of this.

I do think though that there is another element here that some folks might be missing. Companies often need to reproduce the exact training that a given learner “passed” (or at least have the capacity to reproduce it). Being able to pull up the exact training that a learner took 3 years ago is a real need for large organizations. While I don’t think there is a ton of “value” in this, from a legal and compliance perspective, it’s critical for certain subjects. It’s not clear to me (yet) how we (or anyone) can do this with more dynamic content like blogs, wikis, discussions etc… I’m not saying it can’t be done any other way, just that, for now, what we currently describe as “courseware” is one of the few mechanisms we have to easily encapsulate and store training content that must be reproduced at will. That said, this is something we will be able to eventually address based on some of the deep reporting stuff we’re doing on the “informal” side. And of course, for any content that is not compliance-related, everything you said is dead-on.

Sorry if I wasn’t clear about this in my original post. I totally agree that results should matter more than the method. But when companies get in trouble due to an employee messing up, it’s critical that a company can show that they provided the “right” training, even if the employee didn’t carry through with it. Anyway, I hope my original post makes more sense in this light.

Dave

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By: Clark https://blog.learnlets.com/2007/12/climbing-the-expertise-ladder/#comment-42577 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:35:54 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/wp/?p=249#comment-42577 I appreciate the reality check, but I’d like to see that they passed the “y” assessment, not survived the course. For some things a course might need to be available (e.g. when you need a full skill shift), but I don’t need to track whether they accessed the info, I care whether they can ultimately do the right thing!

Agreed, there’s a role for the course, and making it available, but I want to track ability to perform, not evidence they endured a content dump. If reading a couple of blogs, adding to the wiki, and watching a video leads to the outcome, who cares? Which of course I don’t think it contrary to what you mean.

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By: David Wilkins https://blog.learnlets.com/2007/12/climbing-the-expertise-ladder/#comment-42553 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:42:59 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/wp/?p=249#comment-42553 I just wanted to respond to Brent’s comment. While we agree that it’s time to rethink the LMS, I think it’s a bit of stretch to say that LMS is a “dead idea.” Like many established LMS companies, we have some big names in our client list, many of whom are part of heavily regulated industries. Financial markets, manufacturing, mining, construction, healthcare etc… do lots and lots of compliance-related training. They need to be able to show that “x” person took and passed “y” course — and “course” in this case can’t mean “read a couple of blogs, added to the wiki, and watched a video.” It needs to be a structured thing with finite boundaries that can be replicated and produced for govt agencies or State Attorney General’s as required. This does not of course, preclude any of us in the LMS business from introducing deep, community-like features to the LMS: discussion, comments, ability to add your own user-generated “courses” or content, etc…

Nor does it preclude us from rethinking the non-compliance side of the learning business. This part of the business requires a radical rethinking. This is where Brent’s comments are dead-on. Today, our only vehicle for delivering “courses” and “learning” is the LMS — even when it’s not the best choice, even when the rest of world is relying on a lot of what Brent is alluding to, even when user-generated content is becoming a standard paradigm in the way people “use” the internet.

I don’t think Brent is off-base in the big picture, but specifically as to the need for LMS, this is not going to change anytime soon. Innovation needs to be inclusive of these needs or larger companies will be ill-served by what we’re doing.

Dave Wilkins
Senior Director of Content, Mzinga
dwilkins@mzinga.com

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By: brent schlenker https://blog.learnlets.com/2007/12/climbing-the-expertise-ladder/#comment-41422 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:39:16 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/wp/?p=249#comment-41422 The way of the monolithic software app is long dead. The LMS is a dead idea. Maybe they plan to kill the LMS side of the house and focus on the Shared Insights side. I think a marriage of tools like ClearspaceX and Buzzlogic is MUCH more appealing to me. Let’s facilitate the informal learning conversations and also measure the impact of those conversations and identify the key contributors in an organization. I don’t care if the LMS says that my people were all sitting somewhere at a certain time, or wasted 2-4 hours guessing multiple choice questions. But I do care if they are communicating with others, solving problems, and getting work done. Sharing and collaborating and learning IS the work these days…the important work anyways. I want to make that happen better, stronger, faster, and reward the people contributing to the collective achievement of business goals.
Just my $.02 ;-)
Cheers!

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