Comments on: Design ‘debt’ and quality process https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/08/design-debt-and-quality-process/ Clark Quinn's learnings about learning Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:14:52 +0000 hourly 1 By: Clark https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/08/design-debt-and-quality-process/#comment-78481 Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:14:52 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1145#comment-78481 Interesting thoughts, John. My short response is how do we create a framework where we can collect those expert reflections. I see them distributed across some of the top reflective practitioners, but I don’t see a systematic process whereby they can interact and refine their understanding, yet think that would accelerate the field. Am I missing something?

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By: John Schulz https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/08/design-debt-and-quality-process/#comment-78465 Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:57:56 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1145#comment-78465 Clark,

Once again, thanks for putting a name to concerns I’ve had for years. I can’t even begin to tell you about the debt I was lugging around at some organizations. Somehow, validating root cause and documenting projects always seemed to get cut from project plans in the rush to meet some deadline. Always enjoyable to unravel spaghetti code after its creator has left the organization.

Steve – I always find your comments enlightening. While I agree with all of your points, I especially connect on your comments about talent selection. I had actually included this very idea in a presentation I recently did regarding mistakes organizations make with regard to eLearning. Before tapping in to all of the wonderful brain power I am finding on Twitter, I thought that maybe ‘we’ were just getting lazy. That IDs had given in to the corporate demand for ‘NOW’ at the expense of producing great products.

But after thinking about Cynefin (thanks, Clark!), Dryfus, and a little light reading around cognitive science, I came to your very conclusion (I even drafted a causal loop!). Our courseware design (and the very fact that we can’t think of anything BUT COURSEware) is being driven by the fact that we have few experts in our field. David Merrill suggested that 95% of ID is done by people without ID education (or ‘by assignment’ as he called it). Cammy Bean’s informal survey indicated that 60% of us don’t have formal ID degrees. Without this education (through formal University programs, or professional development), and without a personal drive to become an expert, most of us only know learning theory as a set of bullet points from a conference presentation. Let’s not even get in to our lack of skills required for software development, UxD, assessment, visual design, etc. (I still don’t understand why most people don’t treat elearning as a application development project. Ohh, I know … because our tools pretend that no coding is required!)

Dryfus suggested that without experts there’s no one who CAN be visionary, no one to push the envelope – or as Kathy Sierra says, create the revolutionary change that gets us over that ‘big freakin wall’. Because experts have acquired a broad-based, conceptual understanding of the domain, they are able to innovate. The rest do what we’ve always done. What we’re comfortable with. And, someday soon, someone in an industry outside of L&D is going to come along and take our work – because they’ll be able to produce product that creates meaningful results – and without any of that debt stuff.

(Didn’t want to leave you out Dave – love your stuff too!)

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By: Dave Ferguson https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/08/design-debt-and-quality-process/#comment-78184 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:51:56 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1145#comment-78184 I love “might-need-it-in-the-future refactoring.” It’s got me imagining the engineering or design equivalent of the person whose apartment is hip-deep in stacks of old newspapers, bread-bag ties, every receipt ever issued. And a large number of cats, many of them still alive.

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By: Steve F https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/08/design-debt-and-quality-process/#comment-78160 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:37:42 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1145#comment-78160 One example: OOP, the way software engineers view OOP, doesn’t fit learning design. Too much cold rigidity and might need it in the future refactoring. This was part of the driving concept behind SCORM. SCORM didn’t come out as intended in my view.

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By: Clark https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/08/design-debt-and-quality-process/#comment-78153 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:49:19 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1145#comment-78153 Steve, as I taught interface design while researching learning technology, I’ve often tried to cross-fertilize, but I often found UxD to be ahead of ID (which I think you’re also saying). I’d be curious what you think *doesn’t* fit. My one response would be that creating learning experience, is different than creating task ability.

Thanks for the feedback!

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By: Steve Flowers https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/08/design-debt-and-quality-process/#comment-78116 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:53:55 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1145#comment-78116 While debateable whether I was actually programming, I have ‘some’ experience designing and building software. I see many opportunities for improvement in the ISD vertical space using well established software engineering and management practices. Here are the biggies:

1. Patterns. I’m not sure what it is in the world of the ISD. Whether we think our world of work is too complex to document problem / solution pairs or we are protective of our ideas. Either way, there’s nothing but good that can come from an establishment of a common patterns library, common associated language, and open capture and extensions of these common patterns. Did some presentations and wrote some position papers with Ian Douglas at FSU. He’s a big proponent of patterns. Sadly, the same people we need to convince can’t see the promise of ‘another best practices compilation’. Sigh:)

2. Unit testing. Here’s another one that baffles me. I’ve spent a significant amount of time on the development side and in my experience the design eats up the first 75% of the resource / time budget. This is before metal is bent, before one wrench is turned, before anything is actually developed. The last 5% are for (a) QA and / or (b) Scramble to unf*#k the output – usually unsuccessfully. Not sure that this is common everywhere, but it is in government contracting and it’s complete lunacy (I railed against this mindset unsuccessfully for years). Modular abstraction and unit testing is among the many great practices in software engineering that allows large teams to accomplish seemingly impossible feats. Why we aren’t moving evaluation up front is beyond me – formative evaluation creates data points, data points correct course, course correction helps avoid abysmal failure.

3. UxD. This one is relatively new. But this field (some say horizontal intersection with design verticals) closely reflects ISD goals. The difference being that if you are a bad UxD you aren’t employed for long – in stark contrast to my experience with bad ISD. The field accession is also different. There is no DAT (Design Aptitude Test) for entry into an ISD program. If you are flashing the green, you’re in the machine… Principles can be taught, but sadly talent is non-transferrable. UxD’s move through the ranks by demonstration of aptitude. Those who make hiring decisions for ISD’s typically either don’t understand the field well enough to make a good judgment or poor performance is masked by a good interview and a team effort that doesn’t isolate what the ISD actually did. If it walks like a rant and quacks like a rant it’s probably a rant:)

We did try a few experiments to make our ID and Development processes a bit more like efficient software project management processes. How did it come out? Depends on how you define success. Too many factors to isolate, but it didn’t seem to hold and I split the scene to work as a hermit. ISD folks couldn’t understand what was wrong with the take-your-time-waterfall, plow horse in blinders approach. The technical folks didn’t understand the unique process elements and considerations within the performance engineering realm (warm) that differed from the software engineering realm (which feels cold to me).

As an inclusive process element definition, there’s nothing wrong with ADDIE. I’m not sure how else you would distill the neck up activities that contribute to success. The problem is the way it’s leveraged. Big A, NO I… or Big D, little D, tiny I and a sprinkle of E if you’re lucky at the very end. I say stratify A on multiple tiers and move the E up front… Reach cogent hypothesis faster, sprint, test, correct.

There is plenty that we can learn from the software engineering crowd. There’s also plenty of practices that simply DO NOT fit. In each case, the biggest problem we have is personnel selection / preparation. Without changing how we pick and prepare our ISD crop, we’re in the vat of sadness for the long haul – the minority of superstars and visionaries can’t stem the tide of baddies:(

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By: Clark https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/08/design-debt-and-quality-process/#comment-78064 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:50:48 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1145#comment-78064 Dave, ah yes, “pay me now or pay me later”. M’lady has two Fram oil filter cups (they look like the filters!) with that legend.

Good point about the overhead. What Watts Humphries found with PSP was that initially it slowed people down, but then it actually made them more productive, as their estimates were more accurate, and they made fewer mistakes requiring rework. Let alone the quality of the output. Reckon some peer review and systematic analysis of ways to improve would work wonders. Thanks for the feedback.

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By: Dave Ferguson https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/08/design-debt-and-quality-process/#comment-78056 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:36:09 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1145#comment-78056 I hadn’t heard “design debt” before, but I have heard (and spoken about) processes that are front-end loaded.

Which is just a complicated way of saying “pay me now, or pay me later.”

Your comments about quality remind me of the initial resistance to quality in the latter part of the 20th century–remember that Deming had his initial success in Japan, rather than in the U.S.

Quality seemed like extra work, the way you’ll hear critiques about “paralysis by analysis.”

Even today, I think, a fair number of organizations claim that they value quality. It’s like the cartoon I saw once of two Romans at the Colliseum, looking down at people being thrown to the lions. “You know,” says one, “I’m a Christian, too, but I’m not a fanatic about it.”

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