Comments on: The 7 c’s of natural learning https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/09/the-7-cs-of-natural-learning/ Clark Quinn's learnings about learning Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:35:44 +0000 hourly 1 By: Langsom læring pÃ¥ Web2 | MOOCs https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/09/the-7-cs-of-natural-learning/#comment-316080 Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:35:44 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1203#comment-316080 […] Clark Quin har lavet 7  punkter til læringprocessen pÃ¥ web. Det er: […]

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By: MOOCs – https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/09/the-7-cs-of-natural-learning/#comment-315530 Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:36:30 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1203#comment-315530 […] Clark Quin har lavet 7  punkter til læringprocessen pÃ¥ web. Det er: […]

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By: Clark Quinn and slow learning « LearningWeb https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/09/the-7-cs-of-natural-learning/#comment-133897 Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:36:44 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1203#comment-133897 s of natural learning he writes about the 7 C´s how people learn: They learn through Choise, Commitments, Crash, Create, [...]]]> […] seems that he has been working a lot with it earlier, because in Learnlets » The 7 c’s of natural learning he writes about the 7 C´s how people learn: They learn through Choise, Commitments, Crash, Create, […]

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By: Nick Kearney https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/09/the-7-cs-of-natural-learning/#comment-81188 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:57:37 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1203#comment-81188 No objections to raising awareness. My comment was more relating to the device of a list, which might, I am not saying will, be interpreted as a blueprint that must be followed. (Which is why I mentioned ADDIE, which can be useful, or a straitjacket, depending on how it is used and interpreted).
A list may suggest to some that informal learning can be managed and planned and structured, I am not sure that this is possible. Indeed one of the difficulties can be that if you try to plan it you can stifle it. For example when certain workers are acting as informal mentors as part of their work, it can prove counter productive to try to structure that, as some do it spontaneously, or not at all. You may be able to create conditions that make it easier to learn informally, and increasing understanding of the value will help with that, and I think that is a useful thing to do. I just wonder if a check list may not sometimes provoke misinterpretation. With the kind of radical transformation of understandings you need to provoke, it may be necessary to devise new tools.

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By: Clark https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/09/the-7-cs-of-natural-learning/#comment-80472 Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:43:13 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1203#comment-80472 Harold, exactly: self-learning and social learning are critical, but we shouldn’t take them for granted. My friends and I always said while (downhill) skiing that if we weren’t falling, we weren’t pushing ourselves enough.

Nick, I’m not claiming this is an exhaustive list (e.g. no ‘reflection’), just trying to raise awareness that what we typically do formally is not well aligned with how people really learn, and that supporting some of these activities is the key to unlocking organizational innovation. And I don’t mean the typical top-down ‘manage’ these, but instead to provide a conducive environment and encourage them (if that’s subversive, consider me an agent provocateur!). I’d welcome hearing more about why you think getting awareness of natural learning isn’t helpful, it seems to me to be one of the major components in the transformation of organizational learning.

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By: Nick Kearney https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/09/the-7-cs-of-natural-learning/#comment-80357 Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:33:39 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1203#comment-80357 Crash is a little drastic I think. A crash is a tragedy and is different from a fall. I would suggest Correct, if you need the ring of the 7 c’s – I am a little sceptical of this kind of mnemonic list, it reeks of rote learning and runs the risk of a lack of real engagement with what is significant IN the list, are there other ways of structuring and presenting the ideas?
That said, I think there are 8 elements!! I miss Collate, this is not the same as Choose, it is about organising anbd structuring what we learn, (constructing our emergent uderstanding) as opposed to the selection of a direction.

I am also uncertain that what you are trying to do here is not just to create a kind of ADDIE for informal learning, the list makes it palatable, makes it possible for your audience to see it, and sell it on, as manageable. But it might well be a chimera. Unfortunately, informal learning is NOT, by definition, manageable. And if your job desription has the word “manager” in it, then that idea is profoundly disturbing! It might be more appropriate to try to create contexts that wouldl nourish it, though that in itself might be highly subversive!. I would suggest that it is not a question of how it is presented: to achieve acceptance and adoption means transforming perapectives relating to the mind, knowledge and learning. A substantial challenge, as it involves reframing deep-seated understandings. As you say, getting the organisation’s mind around it. I am not sure a list of this kind will do that, or even whether it would be a helpful stage in that journey.

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By: Harold Jarche https://blog.learnlets.com/2009/09/the-7-cs-of-natural-learning/#comment-80231 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:21:02 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1203#comment-80231 I wrote just this week that the intersection of 1) self-organized learning and 2) online collaboration is what I consider should be a primary focus of organizational learning professionals. Your seven Cs align with this. The first four reflect self-organized activities and the last three require some form of collaboration. Even copying is collaborative because you need someone else’s work to copy. Common web 2.0 practice is to link back to what has been copied, a form of collaboration or perhaps cooperation.

To crash while learning is important. I remember learning to cross-country ski as an adult and I fell a lot. I asked a friend of mine, who was on the Canadian biathlon team, if he crashed during training. He said yes, and that if he didn’t fall, he wasn’t trying hard enough.

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