Comments on: Why bash the LMS? https://blog.learnlets.com/2010/05/why-bash-the-lms/ Clark Quinn's learnings about learning Fri, 04 Nov 2016 16:14:22 +0000 hourly 1 By: A unified performer-facing environment https://blog.learnlets.com/2010/05/why-bash-the-lms/#comment-883052 Fri, 04 Nov 2016 16:14:22 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1550#comment-883052 […] Clark Quinn describes the need: […]

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By: Saba - The People Management Solution for Enterprise and Midsize Organizations https://blog.learnlets.com/2010/05/why-bash-the-lms/#comment-96396 Fri, 06 Aug 2010 23:07:09 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1550#comment-96396 […] Google Wave Mean the End of the LMS? by folks like Michael Feldstein and now we have the gong of Clark Quinn at his Learnlets Blog with his “unified performer-facing environment. The underpinnings of these […]

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By: May – June 15 Great Ones https://blog.learnlets.com/2010/05/why-bash-the-lms/#comment-93104 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:31:22 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1550#comment-93104 […] Why bash the LMS?- Learnlets, May 10, 2010 […]

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By: Jay Cross https://blog.learnlets.com/2010/05/why-bash-the-lms/#comment-92614 Fri, 28 May 2010 15:38:12 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1550#comment-92614 Kevin Kelly’s Lifestream entry today fits with my view of what’s going on with LMS.

KK Lifestream update

The harsh news is that “getting stuck on a local peak” is a certainty in the new economy.

Instability and disequilibrium are the norms; optimization won’t last long. Sooner, rather than later, a product will be eclipsed at its prime. Indeed, an innovation at its prime increases its chances of being eclipsed. In Mastering the Dynamics of Innovation, a study of innovation in the automobile industry, Utterback concludes that “an unhappy byproduct of success in one generation of technology is a narrowing of focus and vulnerability to competitors championing the next technological generation.” The product may be perfect, but for an increasingly smaller range of uses or customers.

While one product is perfecting its peak, an outsider can move the entire mountain by changing the rules. Detroit was the peak of perfection for big cars, but suddenly the small-car mountain overshadowed it. Sears was king of the retail mountain, but then Wal-Mart and Kmart’s innovations created a whole new mountain range that towered above it. For a brief moment Nintendo owned the summits of the video-game mountain until Sega and later Sony built separate mountains even higher. Each of the displaced industries, companies, or products were stuck on a less optimal local peak.

There is only one way out. The stuck organism must devolve. In order to go from a peak of local success to another higher peak, it must first go downhill. To do that it must reverse itself and for a while become less adapted, less fit, less optimal. It must do business less efficiently, with less perfection, relative to its current niche.

This is a problem. Organizations, like living beings, are hardwired to optimize what they know–to cultivate success, not to throw it away. Companies find devolving unthinkable and impossible. There is simply no allowance in the enterprise for letting go.”

jay

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By: David Wilkins https://blog.learnlets.com/2010/05/why-bash-the-lms/#comment-91758 Wed, 12 May 2010 22:39:35 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1550#comment-91758 Hey Clark,

Great post. I agree on a lot more than we disagree about. I think the best tool for the task is the right approach, but I worry about duplicate user profiles, search, reporting SSO, multiple email integrations etc… I also think that while not all orgs need an all signing, all dancing solution, they do all probably need an LMS, at least if they need to manage compliance and related learning etc… And if they do, why not leverage the social features in there for marginally more money, rather than buy a completely different system where all of those integration issues need to be addressed? I understand about creating balance, but I also don’t want to see us create a bunch of silos either. Been there done that (LCMS, EPSS, KM etc…) and it’s not fun for vendors or clients.

As to the naming thing, been there and done that too. When I was at KP, we told an analyst that we were going to rebrand ourselves. The next year we were dropped from their LMS report and they even wrote a caution that we were leaving the LMS space. (This was well before the Mzinga business and therefore completely erroneous.) But the sales and business impact was huge. I think that might be changing. At Learn.com, we recently re-tag-lined ourselves as a Knowledge Platform much to the delight of both Gartner and Forrester, and Bersin recently did a study about the advent of Adaptive Systems (where we were listed as the leading vendor). I think analysts are starting to realize that LMS and even Talent Systems are too limiting as category descriptors. That said, it’s still a chicken and egg thing. Evolve too fast and you can’t find any mates. Evolve too slow and you die. It’s a tough balancing act right now for us as vendors because we have thought leaders like yourself running (minimally) two years ahead of where the industry is at. We still need people to buy our stuff to grow right? Most L&D professionals are late to the party, and if we went to market as an adaptive portal which is closer to what we really are, we’d never be considered for LMS or TM RFP’s etc… I’d rather convince the 5-10% of our market that’s asking about social in a meaningful way that we can meet their needs than be excluded from the selection process of the other 85-90%. I’m sure that’s true for all of us and not limited to Learn.com

Anyway, my two cents. I’ve misjudged the market twice already in my career, once with Firefly, a software simulation tool, and once with Knowledge Exchange, an integrated social learning, EPSS, training platform. Firefly was, unfortunately, too sophisticated for the typical L&D buyer who just wanted to play with the finger paint that is Captivate. And Knowledge Exchange was at least a decade too early. I’m a slow learner, but even I recognize that there is a pretty serious disconnect right now between where we want to go and where the market actually is.

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By: Soundings: Best Practices in Teaching and Technology » More Fun Bashing the LMS https://blog.learnlets.com/2010/05/why-bash-the-lms/#comment-91648 Mon, 10 May 2010 20:34:26 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1550#comment-91648 […] Quinn has some great thoughts on “Why Bash the LMS“.  While the article is a bit more balanced than it might sound from the title, I still like […]

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By: Harold Jarche https://blog.learnlets.com/2010/05/why-bash-the-lms/#comment-91637 Mon, 10 May 2010 14:22:09 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1550#comment-91637 t manage what or how our employees eat and we don’t need to manage their knowledge or learning. We can make it easier for them to learn and share knowledge though, just like putting in a cafeteria or a water fountain. Workers need support and tools to develop these personal processes but the organization should stay out of the business of knowledge and learning and instead focus on collaboration. http://www.jarche.com/2009/06/manage-what-matters-collaboration/]]> Following up on Dick’s excellent comment, here’s a snip from a post I made last year:

Learning and becoming knowledge-able are now basic requirements for every worker. These are basic requirements for life, as much as food and water. We don’t manage what or how our employees eat and we don’t need to manage their knowledge or learning. We can make it easier for them to learn and share knowledge though, just like putting in a cafeteria or a water fountain. Workers need support and tools to develop these personal processes but the organization should stay out of the business of knowledge and learning and instead focus on collaboration.

http://www.jarche.com/2009/06/manage-what-matters-collaboration/

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By: Harold Jarche » A unified performer-facing environment https://blog.learnlets.com/2010/05/why-bash-the-lms/#comment-91636 Mon, 10 May 2010 13:39:05 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1550#comment-91636 s what a full technology support environment should contain.  And it should be performer- and performance-centric, so I come in and find my tools ‘to hand’.  And I ‘get’ the need for compliance, and the role of courses. [...]]]> […] Clark Quinn describes the need: What seems to me to be the need is to have a unified performer-facing environment.  It should provide access to courses when those are relevant, resources/job aids, and eCommunity tools too.  That’s what a full technology support environment should contain.  And it should be performer- and performance-centric, so I come in and find my tools ‘to hand’.  And I ‘get’ the need for compliance, and the role of courses. […]

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By: Dick Carlson https://blog.learnlets.com/2010/05/why-bash-the-lms/#comment-91634 Mon, 10 May 2010 13:24:30 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1550#comment-91634 I’m against “Learning Management Systems” (and have written more than my share of pithy observations on the subject.

But I completely support the concept of “Lunch Management Systems” for large companies. For too long, we’ve allowed employees to choose what they want to eat, when they want to eat it, and how they want to consume it.

Most employees are too stupid to make these critical choices (some actually don’t even EAT lunch), so the company just has to start measuring and verifying what’s going on in this critical performance area.

The LMS will allow management to monitor exactly which entrees have been consumed, how long it took the employee to eat them, and (with the appropriate Content Registering Assessment Plugin) even how much waste was passed by their digestive system. This allows the C-Suite executives to view a dashboard in real time, showing the throughput and output.

We can also make sure that employees are only choosing food appropriate to their job posting — Red Bull for programmers, high carbs for the warehouse workers, and red meat for the MBA crowd. Users will be prohibited from registering for lunches that are not job-appropriate, therefore saving valuable resources.

Most importantly, food consumers can regurgitate food for others in their department — a sort of “Eat Once, Serve Many” model for lunch that will save big dollars in costs of overpaid Food Designers and Developers. There’s no need to develop content appropriate to specific eating styles — just put it all in one big pot and let all the employees belly up.

I’d better get busy and patent this concept.

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