Comments on: Yes, you do have to change https://blog.learnlets.com/2013/03/yes-you-do-have-to-change/ Clark Quinn's learnings about learning Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:42:04 +0000 hourly 1 By: 10 Reasons To Modernize Workplace Training - Learning Professional Network https://blog.learnlets.com/2013/03/yes-you-do-have-to-change/#comment-914524 Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:42:04 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=3232#comment-914524 […] of “click-next-button” e-learning, which simply moves the user from one slide to the next.  Clark Quinn summed up this type of le-learning as “knowledge dumps tarted up with trivial interactions”. But […]

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By: Shane https://blog.learnlets.com/2013/03/yes-you-do-have-to-change/#comment-903561 Tue, 04 Jul 2017 10:15:41 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=3232#comment-903561 You make a lot of good points. For us as an eLearning company it is always a challenge to do more for businesses than just provide their eLearning courses – but we try to act as an HR partner with clients wherever possible. Would love to hear an updated version of your thoughts on eLearning in 2017!

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By: Can't learn, won't learn - are you prepared? https://blog.learnlets.com/2013/03/yes-you-do-have-to-change/#comment-428760 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 08:00:43 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=3232#comment-428760 […] of internal collaboration tools (Chatter, Jam, Jive etc), there seems precious little emphasis on performance outcomes. There also seems to be a tacit assumption that most people will collaborate. History teaches us […]

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By: The Social Learning Revolution and 3 ways that L&D are re-thinking their practices | Maurizio De Rose https://blog.learnlets.com/2013/03/yes-you-do-have-to-change/#comment-420800 Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:31:28 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=3232#comment-420800 m not an idiot, Geeta Bose, 9 March 2011 Slide 22:  How […]]]> […] Workplace and Connected Knowledge Lab Slides 10 & 11: Top 100 Tools for Learning Slide 20: Yes, you do have to change, Clark Quinn, 18 March 2013 Slide 21: I’m not an idiot, Geeta Bose, 9 March 2011 Slide 22:  How […]

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By: Angie Wetmore https://blog.learnlets.com/2013/03/yes-you-do-have-to-change/#comment-368830 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 03:10:49 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=3232#comment-368830 t they giving us significant feedback? End-of-course surveys are giving us what the students want and not necessarily what they need. A small child wants to eat endless piles of candy, but a good parent (teacher) knows he needs a well-rounded diet. We have to be purposeful in our assessments of whether the outcomes are being met by designing assignments that give clear indications of the students’ ability to demonstrate mastery of the concept. The question is whether we will slow down long enough to put the systems/processes in place to make clear evaluative processes happen. “If it doesn’t work, throw something else at it” may work well in some obscure scenario, but it definitely is not an acceptable approach to online education … and yet we do it. Thanks for being a voice of reason for the students.]]> Now, these are outcomes that I can sink my teeth into: ”deeply engaging scenarios and simulation-driven interactions on the formal side, powerful job aid tools for performance support (particularly mobile), coaching and mentoring as a better solution than courses in many (most) cases, performer-focused portals of tools, underlying powerful content management suites, and rich social environments to support performers making each other smarter and more effective.” Real world engagement evaluated from real world perspectives with real results that can be used in the real world.

I get it. After getting pegged as creating boring classes, online educators have moved from filling endless online classes with read and reflect assignments and TF/MC assessments to trying to entertain the learners with dancing ponies. But is real learning taking place? Are the outcomes being met? How do we know? What measurements are we taking? How are we assessing the assessments? One thing I find is that there is so much time being spent building and rebuilding classes to “make them better” that we never really have time (take the time) to fully evaluate the value of what we are putting out there. Can I build a class that works? That depends on your definition of “works.” We can bore them to death with read and reflection or we can entertain them with flash files and ppts, but ultimately we are responsible for proving they are learning.

What about end-of-course surveys? Aren’t they giving us significant feedback? End-of-course surveys are giving us what the students want and not necessarily what they need. A small child wants to eat endless piles of candy, but a good parent (teacher) knows he needs a well-rounded diet. We have to be purposeful in our assessments of whether the outcomes are being met by designing assignments that give clear indications of the students’ ability to demonstrate mastery of the concept. The question is whether we will slow down long enough to put the systems/processes in place to make clear evaluative processes happen. “If it doesn’t work, throw something else at it” may work well in some obscure scenario, but it definitely is not an acceptable approach to online education … and yet we do it.

Thanks for being a voice of reason for the students.

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By: Blogs you should be reading | writingaboutlearning https://blog.learnlets.com/2013/03/yes-you-do-have-to-change/#comment-365668 Sun, 07 Jul 2013 14:07:09 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=3232#comment-365668 s blog is one I have only come to recently. I found a link to his call to arms Yes you do have  to change. Immediately after reading this I forwarded it directly to my boss. Clark had put into words all of [...]]]> […] Quinn’s blog is one I have only come to recently. I found a link to his call to arms Yes you do have  to change. Immediately after reading this I forwarded it directly to my boss. Clark had put into words all of […]

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By: Manifesto for learning & development professionals https://blog.learnlets.com/2013/03/yes-you-do-have-to-change/#comment-355511 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 02:18:37 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=3232#comment-355511 […] Clark Quinn: “Yes, You Do Have to Change“ […]

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By: Brigit Calame https://blog.learnlets.com/2013/03/yes-you-do-have-to-change/#comment-331696 Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:53:21 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=3232#comment-331696 Hi Clark, I totally agree with you. However the l&d people will have to be strong to get the cooperation of manament involved. E-learning takes relatively little time and can be ticked-off from the “to do list”. Mentoring, communties of practice, deeper learning takes more time and with more work having to be done by fewer people, the demand for elearning within our organization is growing. So actually, in my opinion the biggest challenge for the l&d department is to ceate awareness of what is needed to learn.

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By: Paul Drexler https://blog.learnlets.com/2013/03/yes-you-do-have-to-change/#comment-330428 Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:08:46 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=3232#comment-330428 One way to be more relevant is to find sources of real pain within whatever parts of the company produce the most value. Forget about learning for the time being, focus on problem solving. Partner with, and validate your approach with the field. Use the levers of power to get action and make sure that your solution really is the best choice. Use your entrepeneurial skills to support the solution. See what happens.

On another note, there’s been a fascinating change in measuring value in sports. In Baseball, the field of Sabremetrics has revolutionized management by creating more subtle statistical measures of individual worth, than the old standards, such as batting average, earned run average and home runs. I’m wondering if we can use this technique in business. Can we measure factors such as the ability to de stress a situation, percentage of positive feedback, idea generation, or laughs generated per hour? What factors do you think should be measured?

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By: Stephen J. Gill https://blog.learnlets.com/2013/03/yes-you-do-have-to-change/#comment-329900 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:36:20 +0000 http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=3232#comment-329900 Well said, Clark. I think one of the biggest barriers to this change in the way organizations think about learning is the departmentalization of learning. By making learning the responsibility of HR, or Training, or L&D, or CLO, or whatever, we marginalize the function and it just becomes one more thing to get done. We need to make employee learning the responsibility of every manager and every employee (i.e., your job is to learn; it is not to attend training). That will help bring about much of the change you are calling for.

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