Mirjam, thanks for the feedback. If you see my response to Will’s concern about point 7, that differentiating when that’s true and not is an issue. I’ve a post queued for next week to address that. However, when it comes to innovation and new ideas, the evidence is clear (c.f. Keith Sawyer’s Group Genius or Stephen Berlin Johnson’s Where Good Ideas Come From) that a team is better than an individual. With my caveat: if you manage the process right.

Wish I could upload an image that I just saw on Twitter called the ‘Bullshit Asymmetry Principle’. It says “The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.’ I guess that is my concern with certain crowds.

Thanks for the feedback, Will. Interesting point about crowds versus individuals. I think you’re right, and I think that situations that are ‘simple’ or ‘complicated’ (using the Cynefin model) are where an expert may be your best resource. I’m thinking of the ‘complicated’ (or chaotic ;) situations where we’re in new areas, and bringing together *more* than one expert, or people with relevant skills and knowledge, is better, e.g. where ‘learning’ (read: innovation) is needed. Here the research says that the crowd is really better than the individual (c.f. Keith Sawyer’s Group Genius or Stephen Berlin Johnson’s Where Good Ideas Come From). So helping identify where to go for an expert and where to (appropriately) crowdsource is a valuable distinction. Thanks for helping me be clear on that!

And for the record, my “spirited” (thanks Clark!) section on “oversimplifications” were in response to what I felt were oversimplifications in the arguments I was critiquing.

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My reflections:

CLARK:
Learners increasingly need to take responsibility for their learning, and we should facilitate and develop it instead of leaving it to chance
WILL:
Agreed! Although, I think people have always had to take responsibility for their own learning. Those who are most successful certainly do this.

CLARK:
Learning can frequently be trimmed (and more frequently needs to change the content/practice ratio), and we should substitute performance support for learning when possible
WILL:
Absolutely Agree!!!!!!!!!!! Teaching too much content is the NUMBER 1 problem in workplace learning. First, people often forget when they are overloaded with content. Second, teaching content does not leave time for the kind of learning supports that are required to (1) deepen understanding, (2) support long-term remembering, and (3) promote on-the-job application.

CLARK:
Much of training and elearning is boring and we can and should do better making it meaningful
WILL:
Abso-freakin-lutely!

CLARK:
That people can be a great source of content, but they sometimes need facilitation
WILL:
People can also be a source of poor content, even dangerous content. Sometimes it would be a foolish business/organizational practice NOT to vet content.

CLARK:
That using some sort of enterprise social platform can be a powerful source for learning, with facilitation and the right culture, but isn’t necessarily a substitute when formal learning is required.
WILL:
Agreed! First, focus on needs, then see what tools are right!

CLARK:
That on-the-job learning isn’t necessarily easy to leverage but should be a focus for better outcomes in many cases
WILL:
Agreed! And our first targets of influence (often underutilized) are organizational supervisors/managers. Okay, maybe not necessarily first, but a high-value target!

CLARK:
Crowds of people have more wisdom than single individuals, when you facilitate the process appropriately
WILL:
DISAGREE! This is sometimes true, but sometimes NOT true. Depends on situation, content, and the people. I’m not smart enough to know when it’s okay to rely on “wisdom of crowd” and when it’s best to call in true experts, but I would be skeptical of defaulting to the crowd. Also, depending on the opportunity costs of getting a crowd together, it might be more efficient and inexpensive to call in an expert or two.

CLARK:
Traditional learning professionals have an opportunity to contribute to an information age approach, with an awareness of the bigger picture
WILL:
Agreed! In fact, we have a responsibility — not just an opportunity — to invest our research-based (vetted) learning wisdom into these information-age apps.

THANKS CLARK!

You Rock! You’re not only a good peacekeeper, but also you do a great service to our industry by spanning the two worlds Jane talks about.

= Will