Comments on: The (Post) Cognitive Perspective https://blog.learnlets.com/2021/10/the-post-cognitive-perspective/ Clark Quinn's learnings about learning Wed, 13 Oct 2021 23:18:20 +0000 hourly 1 By: Clark https://blog.learnlets.com/2021/10/the-post-cognitive-perspective/#comment-1159565 Wed, 13 Oct 2021 23:18:20 +0000 https://blog.learnlets.com/?p=8065#comment-1159565 In reply to Kelly Martin.

Kelly, I do think that the ability to navigate levels is important (was just reading a paper to that topic), and it’s part of truly ‘situating’ thinking. Thanks for weighing in with that perspective.

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By: Kelly Martin https://blog.learnlets.com/2021/10/the-post-cognitive-perspective/#comment-1159367 Wed, 13 Oct 2021 15:15:23 +0000 https://blog.learnlets.com/?p=8065#comment-1159367 It seems that this issue of context/conceptual, practical/theoretical is one about finding “that sweet spot” between keeping learning and meaning situated and familiar but also challenging, constructing a bridge or a narrative between the familiar and familiar, the concept and the action. My background is both in ID and in literary translation studies, and I often write about the connections between the two (or really, the connections between learning and translating).

I will not bore you all with the nuances…but part of translating prose poetry, for example, is understanding the situated or the “small picture” and the higher-order concerns or the “larger picture”: the poet’s life, background; the political, social, artistic, etc. climate that shaped the poem; the intricacies and logic of the source language; the affordances and constraints of the genre; the poet’s style and body of work; and the many other conditions, complexities, etc.). The literary translator must also consider all of these factors, elements, or otherwise of the target language, culture, reader(s), and so on.

In short, translation proper is concerned with the various layers and types of contexts and with constructing bridges between them. These parallels to learning, teaching, and design may not seem salient (mostly due to my poor explication here), but I hope the introduction of this topic provides some food for thought. ~Kelly

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By: Rich James https://blog.learnlets.com/2021/10/the-post-cognitive-perspective/#comment-1157087 Sat, 09 Oct 2021 01:43:14 +0000 https://blog.learnlets.com/?p=8065#comment-1157087 Hi Clark. We may be post-cognitive in our scientific understanding but I think most of the field of education (writ large) was barely ever cognitive. We still have to work within the principles and cognitive architecture that support formation and retention of memory and meaning. I see contextually driven systems of meaning and cognitive systems as overlapping and interdependent. Exploiting the cognitive can help prevent the contextual from leading us astray.

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By: Clark https://blog.learnlets.com/2021/10/the-post-cognitive-perspective/#comment-1156861 Fri, 08 Oct 2021 15:52:42 +0000 https://blog.learnlets.com/?p=8065#comment-1156861 In reply to Christine Bernat.

Christine, I look at the work of David Jonassen, who found better transfer and retention from problem-based learning. Also the work of Bransford et al on anchored cognition. I haven’t read ‘the unschooled mind’, but I think it has to do with the facilitation of transfer out of practical experiences (and managing cognitive load). I think you want to both develop the principles/models, but also support transferring them to concrete problems. Also, choosing appropriate contexts to facilitate appropriate transfer. Some folks (e.g. those self-selected to be engineers?) may be able to succeed because they’re good at transferring to concrete contexts, but it’s not the way to bet.

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By: Christine Bernat https://blog.learnlets.com/2021/10/the-post-cognitive-perspective/#comment-1156405 Thu, 07 Oct 2021 19:32:24 +0000 https://blog.learnlets.com/?p=8065#comment-1156405 I like your emphasis on context as we know it is very important to learning. However, you mention moving “beyond cognition, as if pure “cognition/knowledge” is not effective, perhaps boring for learning. I was wondering if you have ever considered that sometimes too much context has also been noted as leading to inferior learning? Are you familiar with Howard Gardner’s book “The Unschooled Mind”? In this book, Gardner states that learning knowledge outside (of school) interferes with conceptual knowledge. He cited experiments of Math and Physics students who learned only in context. They scored well on exams but could not transfer their knowledge to new problems in unfamiliar contexts. He stated the importance of learning in a pure “knowledge experience” such as in a Newtonian simulated world. Being that so much of ID consists of audience analysis, how much is pure knowledge taught or emphasized? I know when I design learning for engineers/programmers, they want to know every exhausting detail about the principles of the device and aren’t very interested in the contexts to which the device is used. Shouldn’t the degree of context vs. conceptual principles be weighed when designing learning?

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